JSF is too fat, Struts is too heavy, Spring MVC is light, but Java is too ver...

Terrence Miao - 2012-05-31 23:18:59+1000 - Updated: 2012-05-31 23:18:59+1000

JSF is too fat, Struts is too heavy, Spring MVC is light, but Java is too verbose. Then there come Groovy language and Grails framework.

Hate Java, love Groovy; wish Struts to die quickly, hope long live Spring MVC.

Grails is actually Spring MVC application in disguise.

Martin Paulo - 2012-06-01 08:53:50+1000

Django and Python seem to be doing quite well at the moment. Perhaps we should spend some time looking outside the Java world :)

Casper Casper - 2012-06-01 10:27:21+1000

I thought grails was more like rails than struts or spring mvc?
groovy is an awesome language btw :)

Dean Budd - 2012-06-02 19:31:19+1000

No Rails love there +Terrence Miao ?

Terrence Miao - 2012-06-03 10:20:08+1000

+Dean Budd Still love rails principle and philosophy. Grails I reckon is a "shameless" duplicator or Ruby on Rails, but it's good for stubborn Java hens.

Depends on the application design and development required. For a small team to develop a web based app, counts on what resources you already have, RoR and Grails all can do the tricks. To do things official way, I mean Oracle way, JSF is choice. For hardcore and performance demanding app, you have to go with low level assemble language like i.e. Java :-)

No idea of Django and Python framework Marty mentioned. My point is stay with mainstream, less business risk.

Martin Paulo - 2012-06-04 10:00:38+1000

The bigger picture is missing in this discussion: that these frameworks are all dead frameworks working.
I wrote about this way back when (http://martin-paulo.blogspot.com.au/2011/04/naked-server.html)
and it would appear that others are coming around to my point of view :) (http://caines.ca/blog/programming/the-sun-is-setting-on-rails-style-mvc-frameworks/)
It might sound counter intuitive, but for hardcore and demanding web apps, you need to go with a low level assembly language like JavaScript, and a skinny, naked, server IMHO!